beloit vs belleville

[Chad Boone]

As long as it is not like belleville was! My family and I cost about $180.00 to get in and get 3rd and take home $50.00. That is not including my parents that were another $80.00 I know it is about fun but after a total spent of around 325.00 w/o my parents $, to get there and back home it was too costly for the fun I had. Basically they made out like bandits, as we paid over $2500 for entry to get a $1000 purse. If they are paying out $70.00 a car maybe pit passes and entry should be $10.00 as they are needing a supporting class for the show, not for the 305's purse. To drive 160 miles sucks up the $70.00 so if they are needing us I feel this is not a bad idea. I feel before us racers agree on the $70 minimun payback we need to find out what the entry will be. If it is $10.00 p/p maybe this is ok but if it is $20.00 I feel it needs to be $100.00 and if entry is more then keep going.


This is just my opinion as I know it cost money to go racing but there is a point where you should have a cut-off. Let them make the gamble not us as we are the SHOW.

Everyone post there opinions and lets get a feel for this ahead of time so we can have someone talk with them out of our group to agree on a payback.

[tefftracing]

good point we go 150 to bellville and 168 to beloit. so i know what it cost. my parents go and my inlaws to several. yes pay should be 1,000 to win that way we would have made 5,000 this year from our wins and racing would have been cheaper. racing is racing. you think you can race cheap you are in the wrong sport.
not trying to piss off you or anyone but racing cost money and does not pay shit.
brian tefft
topeka,ks
driver brian jr 07 champ
and that cost of traveling was big time but had fun

[Chad Boone]

Sorry that you feel we should be making $1,000 to win, I was thinking around $195.00 so I believe I know as well racing doesn't pay the bills. I have been to 4 nationals (over 2000 miles) in the past 2 years and watched 4 guys win $10,000 and I do know it is for fun. The closest I got is 2 A mains on the first nights and won $475.00 for the weekend that cost me about $700 ea. and the other 2, I was a donator of about $1400.00. But when you go to that big of a race and race against 130 of the fastest cars in the nation, it is worth it. Belleville cost me half as much as a national and was 3 hours of racing not 3 days and was 175 miles vs. 600 miles. I actually have 3 cars now, since my kids have started racing so don't go as far to try to tell me how much it costs. What I am looking at is basically with an average turnout of 15 cars if they pay 87.00 per car that would give us a pay of 195-145-115-95-80-65 for the rest. So I am not trying to look at rediculous amounts just hoping they don't ask for a lot for pit passes($20.00 or less) so some lucky person has a chance of breaking even.

[todle]

So everyone knows Pit Passes will be $20 and admission to the front gate will be $10 for adults. I really hope we(Beloit) can payout more for the 600's. We got the $70 from last years books. We calculated that doing payout the way we(Jayhusker) currently request the average payout was about $60 per car in the 600's. If we get a good turnout in the stands I can promise you we'll get the payout bumped up. I just can't say how much at this time. I am also working on a couple of sponsors so if they come through we will bump up the payout as well. I'll post it if something changes a little closer to the race. I really hope this will bring some people to the track that wouldn't normally come and the 600's can show that our show is as good as the sprinters. Everyone's support is greatly appreciated.

Tyler Odle
SVR

[CHRIS ROSKILLY]

Guess I might as well put my 2 cents in also. We as a group are very lucky to get what we get, go to Waverly and race and get top 3 paid and not very much, go to Hastings and get paid nothing. If you could make money racing everyone would do it. If we all bought cheap cars and raced for fun we could also save money, but we all want to win so we keep spending more and more money. If money keeps you from racing, dont spend so much.
Our group is now growing very well and as soon as we start fighting over money we will be back to 5-6 cars racing every weekend.

JUST THE WAY I SEE IT>

[Roger Funk]

Chad, I've seen bigger classes fall apart (20+) every night...Just because of money. This isnt nascar & if your looking for the big bucks your at the wrong level of racin. Chris you hit the nail right on the head b/c thats what the class did , back to 6 or 7 cars. It has grown back but still NOT where it was..I say run what ya brung & lets have some fun!!!!!!!! My 2 cents Roger F.

[Brian Williams]

It would be nice if we all made more money racing but the fact of the matter is it won't happen.I understand what everybody is saying about making money but I race just because it's fun. Some of these guy's that want to make more money racing should take a step back and look at the money they have spent on their $4000 motors they are running against stock motors. If Jayhusker had an "A" class for the guys wanting to spend the big bucks and a "B" class for the guys wanting to have fun that would be another. If everybody was on the same level playing field the money issue wouldn't bother me. I know for a fact some the 600's running Jayhuskers have more in the " stock motors " than some of us have in our cars. Happy Racing.

[Chad Boone]

well, sorry to start the season with complaining. I didn't mean for people to get wound up about making money, which I know will never happen. I was mainly interested in making sure entry wasn't going to be totally rediculous like it was at belleville. I am excited to get the car out and burn some circles like everyone else so see everyone in a couple months.

[Roger Funk]

Sounds great Brian , you can tech. a motor but how can you say how much someone spent on it? Like I said in a earlyer post I've seen a class split and it doesnt work . ok just say it happens so now we have a A-class, B-class and a R-class, Trucks , 750's. Sounds like a all nighter...Nobody wants to watch 5 A's , 5 B's & 5 R's ... not to mention the purse just got cut by 2/3's in each class.. lotta people are not going to travel for that .....Just my exp. and thoughts. Sorry if I stepped on anyones toes.

[CHRIS ROSKILLY]

I get so sick and tired of the excuse,(you got more motor than I do)
Yes motors do help, but it takes a lot more to win races, it takes a lot of hard work and a lot of thinking and understanding how you car works. most of the cars I see struggle is not a motor issue, its setup and making sure your motor is tuned properly(clean your carbs ect).

Dont split our class! the last time we tried this we went backwords in car count. Who cares if you have 30-40 cars in one class, when I started we had a b feature every night , this was GREAT. You had to work to get into the A feature. If you didnt make it you came back and worked harder the next week.

Run a A class and a B class wont solve anything, those who want to be fast will be fast because they work at it.

Sorry to offend anyone, Just my opinion

Chris ROSKILLY

[Brian Williams]

Chris you want to trade motors? If the better equipment and motors isn't a issue lets just make it run what you brung. In car adjustments winger sliders all the high dollar stuff so we have a select group of drivers win all the time. That will bring out the fans. I just wish racing season would get here so we could race and not have time to set around on the computer and make fun of one another.

[todle]

Guys I can tell you after driving in 750's, Modifieds, GoKarts, and 600's; I had more fun running in the 600's last year than I think I have in anything. Bang for your buck these things are bad@#$. We've got a great thing going and growing here and I've heard alot of interest in Beloit from guys looking at getting cars.

I can also say this isn't the place to discuss this. We could really put out a lot of bad press here to other places about us. I think it is too late to change things for this year some people probably are already getting ready following this year's rules. Can we run this year off and get after this next Winter? These forums show no emotion and its way to easy to take something wrong and get offended. If needed lets setup a meeting.

[Roger Funk]

Just speeking from what I've seen.. If the class gets split you're going to lose cars.. Guys and gals are not going to come out and race w/ 5 or 6 cars every night & for the purse that 5 or 6 cars bring...This is what I've seen, Roger F.

[Brian Williams]

Your right Roger so make the rules for everybody to stick to. If you want to run a outlaw motor go run another track with the outlaws. That would be a good way to fix the problem. Or better yet let somebody claim a motor like they do in the bigger classes. You can't continue running stock against outlaw and keep everybody happy would you agree?

[Nate]

I was under the impression that the Jayhuskers 600 class is an outlaw class. Did I misread the rules? Just checking.

nate

[Roger Funk]

Yor are right Nate... And Brian if someone wants to claim my stock f3 more power to them. I mabe under powered at some point in the night , but when the track goes dry/slick its all good!!!!!! because we all know its not how much you have, its how much you can get going forward.. Claim rule is not the answer it is a Outlaw class...

[Brian Williams]

I am asking a question isn't the outlaw class run what you brung? From what I seen at the Tulsa shootout you can have as many in car adjustment as you want. I don't think the Jayhuskers is that way anymore I think you are allowed 1 adjustment. If you are only allowed one adjustment is it still a outlaw class.I would really like to see the classes made more even or the guys that have big money cars quit crying about pay out. Not trying to make anybody mad just typing my opinion. If it is a money issue race bicycles the payout is awesome for what you have invested. LOL Cheer up racing season is almost here and all the crying will be over with. Happy racing.

[tefftracing]

Brian let me point out that motor is not where it is at. I ran a stock f4 for half the season(until after the first Beloit race) and then switched to a stock honda rr for the remainder of the season. We ran up front in most races with both motors. The thing that did stay the same thoughout the season was our maintinance schedule. Yes so it meant spending a couple extra hours each week working on the car but it all pays off in the end. If you want i can get you a copy. Just wondering but who has these "$4000" motors that run with the Jayhuskers on a regular basis? Just my thoughts on this.

Brian Tefft Jr.
Driver #13

[dfritz]

To be successful, there are three items needed-

- A driver that understands their car and what it can and can not do.

- A chassis person that can set up for the conditions dealt to you on any given night

- A motor that gives you the best opportunity on either a heavy or dry track


When a team can balance these three items on any given night they will have done everything they can.

Motors do make a difference when you have the ability to hook them up.

Chassis must work (your maintenance you talked about) and be understood.

A good driver can take a sub par car and get the most from it. A not so good driver can not at times make the best car work.

That is why it is important to give that good driver the best possible chassis and motor you can afford.

Are there top dollar motors within Jayhuskers? Oh Yes!!

Just my thoughts.

dfritz